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posted by mattie_p on Wednesday February 19 2014, @01:21PM   Printer-friendly
from the no-really-do-it dept.

By now, you have had the chance to read the updates of both NCommander and Barrabas. Nonetheless, you may still be wondering quite a few things about the site and its staff. Here is your chance to ask us anything. These questions can be general in nature, in which case the staff will select a spokesperson to answer it, or it may be specific to an individual. If the question is for an individual, please ensure you identify that person specifically enough.

We will select the best questions from the thread and provide answers to the community. These questions may not be the highest rated, although we will probably use those first.

In keeping with tradition, ask as many as you'd like, but please, one question per post.

 
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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by internetguy on Wednesday February 19 2014, @02:32PM

    by internetguy (235) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @02:32PM (#2706)

    "the Internet existed once without ads just fine, and it will continue to exist with or without them."

    I wonder what triggered costs on the Internet to increase to the point people found it necessary to create ads. It seemed to happen during the dot-com erra. Any ideas?

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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by DarkMorph on Wednesday February 19 2014, @02:46PM

    by DarkMorph (674) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @02:46PM (#2728)
    That is very complex and circumstantial. Definitely no simple answer because in reality there's no way to be sure. Is it necessity, or is it just the interest to acquire supplemental income? Or better yet, maybe it's neither, and it started once advertisers started to approach the webmasters and made offers. Few will turn down "free" money at the expense of simply adding an image here or image there in exchange.

    It wouldn't surprise me if, by now, many sites figure that it's worth a shot, because there's always the chance of acquiring ad-based revenue, whereas if there is no advertisement, there is a guarantee of no such revenue.

    SoylentNews represents the first time I've ever seriously considered donating to contribute to the needs of a news-oriented community. I find what SN stands for to be rather significant. Ironically the redesign of /. spurred the controversy and inspiration to defect yet I think it's more important to acknowledge the freedom by seceeding from the clutches of DICE much more important.
    • (Score: 1) by buswolley on Wednesday February 19 2014, @05:52PM

      by buswolley (848) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @05:52PM (#2896)

      images. video.
      I bet the hosting cost on SN is not as large as one might think. Very clean.
      However, this disregards the labor of the people maintaining SN. Volunteer labor without compensation is finicky.

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      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by frojack on Wednesday February 19 2014, @06:43PM

        by frojack (1554) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @06:43PM (#2934)

        Exactly.

        Servers do cost money, hosting costs money. And that's all good until you outgrow what can be handled by a single machine, or you exceed the bandwidth that your hosting situation can supply, or you sustain your first DOS attack or something.

        Eventually, you realize you just want to put it all in the cloud somewhere and leave all the hardware and bandwidth issues to someone else. And THAT costs money too. Probably Big money.

        But to remain interested, people have to at least make enough money to do the work even if it is only part-time work.
        Just dealing with a small portion of the users that need help or want to bitch takes time and mental anguish.

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    • (Score: 1) by EvilJim on Thursday February 20 2014, @07:43PM

      by EvilJim (2501) on Thursday February 20 2014, @07:43PM (#3881)

      I don't mind the odd ad here or there, but if allowed, they should only be static images or animated gif's, no java/flash or control by advertising networks who are likely to try to sneak that crap in.

  • (Score: 0) by crutchy on Wednesday February 19 2014, @04:55PM

    by crutchy (179) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @04:55PM (#2845) Homepage Journal

    increased traffic probably

    i can host a website on my home PC for next to nothing (electricity & internet access)

    when "dot com" became trendy and moved beyond the realm of nerds and geeks, and corporations realized they could make a profit using the interwebs, they pounced

    now there's ecommerce, bots of various sorts (good and bad), spam, viruses, multimedia, online games, etc.

    the bottleneck for a popular site is generally dns and load balancing. processing requests and database load etc can be spread out.

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by dilbert on Wednesday February 19 2014, @06:08PM

    by dilbert (444) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @06:08PM (#2909)

    Maybe we could ask Jimmy Wales if he'd be willing to annoy every user on every page for an entire month for us so we can stay ad free.

    In all seriousness though I'd be willing to donate toward the site maintenance.

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Iskender on Wednesday February 19 2014, @07:21PM

    by Iskender (470) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @07:21PM (#2963)

    One source says the number of web users doubled within the years 2000-2001. Almost doubled in 1999 alone. Other sources I looked at give slightly different numbers, but they all agree that there was huge growth. The dotcom era may have involved a lot of hot air, but it certainly helped make the web more popular.

    Someone said it's complex. I don't think it's complex at all - the web got popular, and when it did, one's hosting solution couldn't be "freeloading on my university's network" anymore. Another user said there were images (and video, which came later), and those made advertising even more necessary.

    Now, slash-style sites are designed to require little bandwidth. But I believe even the processor requirements by themselves will drive hosting costs up if you're popular - all the old hobbyist ways of doing things fall apart when faced with modern amounts of users.

  • (Score: 1) by unitron on Wednesday February 19 2014, @11:32PM

    by unitron (70) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @11:32PM (#3128) Journal

    "I wonder what triggered costs on the Internet to increase to the point people found it necessary to create ads."

    Leaving college and having to pick up the costs of a server and bandwidth instead of sponging it off of the school?

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