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How to Avoid Systemd?

posted by LaminatorX on Wednesday February 26 2014, @08:30AM   
from the Boot-him?-I-just-met-him! dept.

jbernardo writes:

"Having had several issues with systemd, and really not liking the philosophy behind it, I am looking into alternatives. I really prefer something that follows the Unix philosophy of using small, focused, and independent tools, with a clear interface. Unfortunately, my favourite distro, Arch Linux, is very much pro-systemd, and a discussion of alternatives is liable to get you banned for a month from their forums. There is an effort to support openrc, but it is still in its infancy and without much support.

So, what are the alternatives, besides Gentoo? Preferably binary... I'd rather have something like arch, with quick updates, cutting edge, but I've already used a lot in the past Mandrake, RedHat, SourceMage, Debian, Kubuntu, and so on, so the package format or the package management differences don't scare me."

[ED Note: I'm imagining FreeBSD sitting in the room with the all the Linux distros he mentioned being utterly ignored like Canada in Hetalia.]

• Slackware Slackware (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2014, @01:49PM

  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2014, @01:49PM (#7424)

  Slackware has not succumbed to the systemd nightmare yet. In fact, it has not succumbed to the SysVinit nightmare of symlinks yet. It's startup is much more old style "rc" script file style. There is support for the sysV forest of symlinks nightmare, but it is not used by Slack, and is only present to enable installing rpm's/etc. that depend upon sysvinit style symlink nightmares.

• Re:Slackware Re:Slackware (Score: 1) by higuita on Wednesday February 26 2014, @02:44PM

  by higuita (2465) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @02:44PM (#7463)

  note that it is not clean if slackware will use systemd in the future or not.

  Remember that several basic programs (example: udev) are include in systemd and as systemd have several features and fixes ancient init problems, Pat might also join the systemd.

  No matter what some people say, systemd is right now the best init system available for linux... yes, it have many problems, but i also have some killer features... you can't simply ignore it.

  As a slackware user, and after having tried several init systems and worked with AIX and solaris, i can say that systemd (or something similar) is needed to finally kill the stupid systemV init and solve the BSD init problems, so i would accept systemd in slackware (specially after applying the KISS filter on it)

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  • Re:Slackware (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2014, @05:25PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2014, @05:25PM (#7571)

    Your post is typical troll. You make a conclusion, but support it with handwaving. Why would including many basic components into a single piece of software be desireable? That tends to reduce maintainability and extensibility. Monolithic vs modular. You say it has several features (which ones do you care about? other systems all have features too ;)). You say it fixes "ancient init problems". Which ones? You say systemd is the best because.... and we're back to "it has features!" Would it be software without any features at all? You say it has problems. What are some examples? You say it has killer features. Well then, that's clearly better than just having features, despite not mentioning a single example. And why can't I ignore it? You give a grand total of zero reasons. The rest of your post is the same handwaving, over and over. There's not a SINGLE example of a concrete pro or con in your ENTIRE post. You're just a shill.

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  • Re:Slackware (Score: 2) by Foobar Bazbot on Wednesday February 26 2014, @07:06PM

    by Foobar Bazbot (37) on Wednesday February 26 2014, @07:06PM (#7615)

    Pat might also join the systemd.

    Right after he becomes a PAM supporter?

    I don't hate systemd that much (I've got some ideological beefs with it, but it does work), but the idea that Pat'll slip it in slackware anytime soon? ROFL

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