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on Friday March 07 2014, @10:01AM
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Taco Cowboy writes:
"Istanbul (dpa) Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is considering banning YouTube and Facebook after local elections at the end of this month, according to remarks carried by local media Friday. It may, or may not be the criticisms arising from (not-yet verified) leaked recordings of Mr. Erdogan's involvement with corruption.
'We will not let YouTube and Facebook destroy our nation. We will take measures, including closure,' said Erdogan, who has previously made comments against social media sites. YouTube had been banned in the country for two years and was recently unblocked."
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(Score: 1) by clone141166 on Friday March 07 2014, @10:32AM
Banning any medium of communication, even one as shoddy as Farcebook seems like a terribly undemocratic thing to be doing. Turkey being a member of the EU, I wonder why the other EU member nations don't seem to be weighing in on things like this? I suppose they are too busy trying to ban BitTorrent so it might look a bit hypocritical to have a go at Turkey for banning Youtube.
(Score: 4, Informative) by PrinceVince on Friday March 07 2014, @10:38AM
As far as I know they're not a full EU member and there's plenty of opposition to them becoming one. Even the Ukraine probably stands a better chance.
(Score: 1) by clone141166 on Friday March 07 2014, @10:42AM
Sorry, you are right. For some reason I was under the impression they were a member, but they are only under consideration for membership at the moment. I suppose this is one of the reasons why.
(Score: 1) by jimshatt on Friday March 07 2014, @10:42AM
(Score: 1) by monster on Friday March 07 2014, @10:50AM
Turkey is not a member of the EU. It is a preferred partner (not sure if this is the correct term), and has been for a long time in line to be a member, but it hasn't been approved yet.
As for undemocratic things happening in EU members... just look what the Hungarian government is up to, and how nothing gets done about it.
(Score: 3, Informative) by james_covalent_bond on Friday March 07 2014, @11:39AM
(Score: 2) by umafuckitt on Friday March 07 2014, @12:28PM
Turkey is pushing for membership quite hard. Recently they've been producing historical documentaries that they are spreading abroad to foster positive feelings. I don't recall which Ottoman historical figures the documentaries are about, but I do know that at least one of these documentaries has aired in Greece and was received relatively favorably (I hear this second hand). Clearly they're looking to thaw local relations and I'm sure it's no coincidence that they're also after EU membership. Whilst I agree that Greece and Turkey need to get along better, I'm not so sure that we're ready for an EU with Turkey in it.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Yog-Yogguth on Friday March 07 2014, @04:38PM
Against "established political doctrine and supposed history" I can't imagine any significant number of actual Greeks ever forgiving Turkey for the Turkish belligerence. As a non-Greek I want Turkey thrown out of Cyprus [wikipedia.org] and NATO (along with the US, it's supposed to be a defensive alliance not some shiny war-making toy), and I wouldn't mind anyone of Turkish decent thrown out of "Europe" as well (and I don't even live in Germany [wikipedia.org]!).
Turkey is loathed by just about everyone that has the knowledge and/or personal experiences, that is except the dumbest of tourists and the most fascist of EU "elites". Turkey was the thin edge of the wedge. Turkey is still replete with the arrogance of a failed bloodthirsty empire [wikipedia.org], the authoritarianism of Ataturk, genocidal tendencies (Armenians [wikipedia.org]) and the curse of islam. More Middle Eastern than European. The kind of regressive country where if one wants to find a "normal" person with anything close to a somewhat modern outlook on existence one has to look towards their homegrown communists and socialists (and I don't consider that any kind of praise which is ironically why it actually becomes high praise).
All that aside: with the current actions by the EU on behalf of the US in relation to Ukraine and Russia the EU might easily be gone in one or two years anyway. It's not very smart to sanction a relied upon major source of energy (Russia) when your own populations already hate you and suspect you're attempting some form of thinly veiled socio-economic genocide against them.
If Russia wants to play hardball all they have to do is offer old AK's and ammo (they have plenty of both) throughout the EU, there would be no shortage of takers including real and imagined "members" of the "rumored" Gladio [wikipedia.org] (that's just a known Italian name though). Leaderless resistance isn't hard, just bloody.
Not that I think guns will be needed. The next "citizen's arrest" of a EU "leader" could be as simple as a dining knife in their throat and deep down they know it. The kind of absurd mazes of illogical nonsense they've spun around themselves don't "just happen" spontaneously without deep hidden feelings of guilt and suppressed bad conscience.
Yes I'm ranting and venting, the EU is just as fucked up as the US (extremely bad) and it is all such a staggering waste of human potential not to mention the lost (pursuit of) happiness and freedom.
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(Score: 2) by umafuckitt on Saturday March 08 2014, @04:49PM
I can't imagine any significant number of actual Greeks ever forgiving Turkey for the Turkish belligerence.
And do you know why they won't? Because the Greek school history lessons about the 1821 revolution against Turkey are mostly nationalist propaganda. I know because I sat through them. Greek/Turkish relations would be more peaceful if the Greeks had a more balanced understanding of history after the fall of the Byzantine empire. I don't know what they're taught in Turkey, but I'd wager it's hardly balanced either.
Your description of the Ottoman empire as "failed" is silly. All empires eventually fall and so all, by that definition, are "failed." The Ottoman empire lasted about 700 years, which pretty good going. Bloodthirsty? Perhaps. But then show me one that wasn't. The previous occupants of that empire could be pretty bloodthirsty [wikipedia.org] too.
(Score: 2) by edIII on Friday March 07 2014, @02:18PM
It's not hypocritical at all though.
The EU is trying to ban BitTorrent in an effort to stop IP "theft" (can't put enough quotes around that). Their efforts will fail of course, and they are wrong for several reasons:
1) It's a *protocol*. Banning a *protocol* is merely an acknowledgement that it best facilitates a behavior.
2) It sets dangerous precedence that can have unintended consequences. DMCA takedown notices being fair?
3) It props up old business models unfairly, something that has always been shoved down my throat as being an anathema to real freedom, free markets, capitalism, etc. Survival of the fittest...
4) It addresses the *symptoms* and not the *cause*
Turkey is banning Facebook/YouTube for a single reason:
1) Speech that is unpopular with the ruling classes.
One of these is not like the other, and one of these is by far more damaging. It's not just terribly undemocratic as you suggest. Undemocratic is, in fact, a rather light way to put it. Suppressing speech by removal of tools to facilitate wide-scale public discourse is something totalitarian governments or police states do.
In other words, Turkey is no different or better than the glorious Democratic People's Republic of Korea, aka The Animal Farm Experiment, aka North Korea.
I'm waiting to hear how Egrodan got 45 holes in one while playing 18 holes of golf...